I see the RATMAN and his gay buddie both have 7s Superfishes and there are two for sale here. So what's the deal? They are 6,3 - same as your Rat? What size and typ of waves are they 1. Best in. 2. Good in. or 3.Bad in.

tia, Da Gazman

Mine and Johans are 6' gazzer..how heavy and tall are you..I weigh @74-75kgs and am 180 tall..
If you are bigger and or heavier i would go for the 6'3 super ..i can tell you that I am veeery impressed with them..you can surf 6' tubes easily on them just like a normal 'salt water' thruster and hey still go great in waist high onshore slop..they are wider and with less rocker than your standard thruster but still 'just the right amount of rocker' to make go like a fucken rocket ..still very manouvreable..i highly recommend them..

Gazzer mate, I don't reckon you can find a better board for sweedish conditions than a superfish they're redhot from 1 foot to 4 foot, just play around with fins. I'm 187 long and weigh 86kg and ride a 6'3.
They're the shit, get 1 I say!

I used to post pretty vocally about boards made en masse in a factory in Asia, but I will have to swallow my words a little if the above two (excellent surfers) are impressed with their performance.

Now that I no longer work at Hollywood, I feel I can post freely without it becoming political.

My first thoughts of these Thai boards:
how can they have quality and understanding if the people who make them don't surf?

-my thoughts now- they are just reproducing the same shape over and over, so while they might never be master-shapers, they can do their job well through repitition, just don't ask them to add 1/8" of tail rocker.

I can't comment on the quallity of the glassing, although I can see that I notice a visual difference between the new ones and the old ones. At closer inspection of the old ones, I can't say that they were glassed very well, but being several generations later now, I am assuming, due to the decrease in complaints, that they hold up better now.

Both Ratman and Surfa7 are experienced and advanced surfers, I still don't think I'd recommend a board like that to a 'DEVELOPING' surfer because I think a developing surfer needs to be forced to find the power points on a wave, and not allow the board to do too much work for too long. Don't get me wrong, I think intermediates need to be able to catch waves, but I think the best way to do that is to fatten up a board without taking out the curves in which one turns off of. Could you imagine a snowboard without any sidecut? sure you might be able to plow your turns still but you're fucked if you are learning to carve.

Fish boards are for guys who can already surf. I think a fatter, thicker shortboard with a slightly relaxed rocker (or delayed) but with a hip in the tail is the best for the guys moving off the funboards onto greener pastures.

SharkBoy skrev:
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Fish boards are for guys who can already surf. I think a fatter, thicker shortboard with a slightly relaxed rocker (or delayed) but with a hip in the tail is the best for the guys moving off the funboards onto greener pastures.

Har du något exempel på en sådan här bräda du pratar om, försöker fundera ut vad jag skall ha för "nästa" bräda. Har funderat på en fish men blir nyfiken på dina argument att man utvecklas mer på en "vanlig" shortboard.

kanske nåt iden här stilen? Eller vad säger du sharkboy? 6´2*19 3/8*2 3/8

yes, other generic examples would be the CI Flyer, or the Lost Speed Demon 1-4, the Rusty BOB, not sure of the Diverse Model Yann has but it is perfect board for what I am talking about, most all shapers make soomthing like that, some call them a Big Guy shortboard, or a groveller, or what not, important thing is that it is just a fuller and more forgiving shortboard

Hmm, man får väl kolla upp dem då, låter bra med big guy shortboard, är lite själv lite större än den genomsnittlige svenske surfaren som man träffat på i vattnet, eller finns det några som är runt 1,90-2,0m långa och väger lite över 100kg, vad har ni för brädor här i sverige, kör själv idags läget på en 7,2" channin bräda dock börjar den sakta falla i bitar.

hmmm detta kanske borde vara en egen tråd

SharkBoy skrev:
I used to post pretty vocally about boards made en masse in a factory in Asia, but I will have to swallow my words a little if the above two (excellent surfers) are impressed with their performance.

Now that I no longer work at Hollywood, I feel I can post freely without it becoming political.

My first thoughts of these Thai boards:
how can they have quality and understanding if the people who make them don't surf?

-my thoughts now- they are just reproducing the same shape over and over, so while they might never be master-shapers, they can do their job well through repitition, just don't ask them to add 1/8" of tail rocker.

I can't comment on the quallity of the glassing, although I can see that I notice a visual difference between the new ones and the old ones. At closer inspection of the old ones, I can't say that they were glassed very well, but being several generations later now, I am assuming, due to the decrease in complaints, that they hold up better now.

Both Ratman and Surfa7 are experienced and advanced surfers, I still don't think I'd recommend a board like that to a 'DEVELOPING' surfer because I think a developing surfer needs to be forced to find the power points on a wave, and not allow the board to do too much work for too long. Don't get me wrong, I think intermediates need to be able to catch waves, but I think the best way to do that is to fatten up a board without taking out the curves in which one turns off of. Could you imagine a snowboard without any sidecut? sure you might be able to plow your turns still but you're fucked if you are learning to carve.

Fish boards are for guys who can already surf. I think a fatter, thicker shortboard with a slightly relaxed rocker (or delayed) but with a hip in the tail is the best for the guys moving off the funboards onto greener pastures.

Everything you said was right sharky..!!
Regarding the thai 'global surf industries' thing.....i got a waldon retro fish last year and the glass job had been raked dry..(anyone who has glassed boards will know what i'm talking about but for those of you who don't...raking is what happens after you pour the resin on the fibreglass and then spread it out and then squeegie TOO MUCH RESIN OF THE BOARD so that the fibreglass becomes almost dry before it hardens..you have to leave a little bit of resin on the glass to give it strength)..when you 'rake' boards they become lighter but they become more brittle and ding easily..
The shapes are computer generated so the thai's are only gauzing off the shaping machines planing marks from the rails so all bottom curves etc remain virtually identical..this year johan and i got 2 superfishes delivered at the same time..they were much better glassed..(well glassed actually) and they were pretty much identical in shape except for VEEEERY small subtleties in rail thickness..much better boards than my first one..I can only rationalize that they have now made alot of boards and the guy doing the same job over and over again has become much better at it..so i figure they are only going to get better..a computer generated shape lacks soul but if you find a gem shape and copy it then you have that shape forever..time will tell what happens with the asian surfboard scene I guess...peace RATB)